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i love the taste of cheese, but i don't want to harm any animals over my desire to consume it. so... ive been on a search for a really good vegan cheddar cheese, or a vegan cheddar cheese recipe. i've tried a rice cheddar and a soy cheddar and both have this funky plastic taste to it [even when cooked], a disconcerting layer of oil, and a bizarre flaky texture. i didn't get very far with the soy cheddar block, actually... the smell nauseated me.
i've made a pretty good cheese sauce with flour, yeast, rice milk and mustard. but it didnt quite taste like cheese, the yeast didn't agree with my stomach... besides that, it wouldn't work well on a sandwich.
i was really craving a grilled cheese sandwich today with all the fixings, and my rice cheese just didnt cut it. i know someone has to make a great one.. theres amazing soy butter, and so many amazing meat substitutes! any recommendations?
i've made a pretty good cheese sauce with flour, yeast, rice milk and mustard. but it didnt quite taste like cheese, the yeast didn't agree with my stomach... besides that, it wouldn't work well on a sandwich.
i was really craving a grilled cheese sandwich today with all the fixings, and my rice cheese just didnt cut it. i know someone has to make a great one.. theres amazing soy butter, and so many amazing meat substitutes! any recommendations?
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Re: delicious vegan cheese?
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 10:55 AMYou sound like you have a very refined pallet! For some people, the commonly available fake cheeses (like "Follow Your Heart") just aren't good enough. There was a thread a few weeks/months back on "Go Vegan!" about a vegan cheese called "Sheese". Here's the link to the thread:
vegan.tribe.net/thread/411...5280edafec9
I have not tried the stuff yet, as it's made in Scotland :( Maybe if you live in a bigger city you might find it in a local grocery store, but they don't have it any place where I live. Here's a link to their website:
www.buteisland.com/
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Re: delicious vegan cheese?
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 10:56 AMOh also there's this:
www.amazon.com/Ultimate-U...060-3812133
Many vegans rave over the recipes in this book. -
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Re: delicious vegan cheese?
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 11:29 AMjudt like to pipe in to say that sheeze is AMAZING!
delicious! and very few ingredients in it. not much junk at all.
tasty! I love the old cheddar flavour!
;-)
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Re: delicious vegan cheese?
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Re: delicious vegan cheese?
Tue, October 16, 2007 - 9:13 AMlucky :P i'm sure the OP can find it somewhere in LA too, just have to track it down... i don't think you can get it in tucson though.
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Re: delicious vegan cheese?
Sat, November 3, 2007 - 8:54 AMI had no idea there were all these cheese alternatives, and I will gladly give it a try too, but since it is the topic; Does making cheese hurt animals, if it is organic, and the starter is chemical? -
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Sat, November 3, 2007 - 3:19 PMPhysical pain and mental pain are different things. You can make cheese without physically harming the animal, but you're still enslaving said animal and using it in an unnatural way. In addition, for a cow to continually produce milk it has to live a very unnatural life cycle of pretty much constant implantation and impregnation which leads to (1) mental pain (we can only imagine the cow is sad when the calf is taken and (2) physical pain (due to calcium depletion and other effects).
You could learn to speak cow-ese and ask the cow if it's cool with her :) -
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Sun, November 4, 2007 - 2:52 AMIn Italy they say that organic milk, cheese etc, has to come from cows who are free, and I thought that would include respecting their cycles to some degree.
I see what you are saying, I will contact Peta, and see if they have anyone who can teach me to talk to cows ^^ -
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Re: delicious vegan cheese?
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 12:20 PMWell, keep in mind that the dairy industry also directly supports the veal industry. Something has to be done with all those little baby cows, especially male cows, which are not economical to keep (you only need one or two for a whole herd, and they don't produce milk but eat as much food as a female cow).
Damn, I really need to kick this awful cheese habit I have! -
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Re: delicious vegan cheese?
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 7:32 PMI used to love cheese, too. But now that I haven't had any for 6 months, I don't miss it any more. In fact it seems rather gross, almost as bad as flesh. It's hard to break away from eating cheese. But you can do it! -
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Sun, December 30, 2007 - 12:59 AMI also loved cheese... I've been a strict veggie for 38 years (started at 12), and thanks to the inspiration of my partner Christie, I have decided to give up cheese (dairy) and become vegan. Its been over a month now and I don't miss it at all. There are many natural stores nearby, lots of alternative soy, gluten and seitan products (think soy ice-cream) and even some local pizza places that make cheese-less pizza. I dont know the brands, but in the past I made a great vegan Lasagna with soy mozzerella, and for ricotta substitute, I mixed soy cream cheese with a block of tofu all mashed up. When it all bakes together, it tastes great!
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Tue, November 6, 2007 - 11:44 AMYup and regardless of what the italian dairy farmers may want you to believe... you don't need to speak cow to know that no mother wants to have her baby taken away from her. It's pretty much a law of nature.
California dairies say the same thing, that their cows are happy, and of course they want you to believe that. Cuz it makes them money!
Plus if animal rights people speak of animal emotions we are anthropomorphizing, but when dairies claim that they KNOW that their cows are happy, they are not anthropomorphizing...what?
In order to have the milk they MUST take the calf away from her mother after birth (organic standards are three days!!!, standard agriculture is within hours after birth) even if the baby is not killed (and just sequestered as they do on "traditional" dairy operations) no baby wants to be away from his mother, and no mother wants to be separated from her baby.
Plus the calf is not fed milk (cuz that milk is profit!!!) so there is also that unnatural factor there.
And the cow is impregnated NON-STOP and that causes a lot of health problems for her. Not to mention the grain and beans that they are fed which causes them SEVERE painful distress (have you known anyone with an Irritable Bowel Disease? It is horrible!) ...cows are meant to eat grass, not grain, but they produce more milk when they are fed grain.
PLUS if all that is not enough for ya, all cows (whether organically, traditionally or factory farm raised) end up as burgers!. They all wind up in slaughterhouses in the end. The industry calls old dairy cows "spent"...or "used" ...there is nothing nice about that term. Cows are USED for their milk and when they can not produce anymore they are trucked to slaughter. There is no retirement community for dairy cows ;-)
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Re: delicious vegan cheese?
Mon, December 17, 2007 - 3:19 PManother thing i think about is- often american milk is pasteurized to kill the bacteria in the milk that's coming off of the cow's udders. the udders are usually infected and cracked (producing floating funky pus and bacteria in the milk) from machines pumping them all the live long day.
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No good vegan cheese
Fri, February 15, 2008 - 10:24 PMI had such high hopes for Sheese but after I tried to make a quesadilla with it, the smell of it made me gag. I put it in the trash can in my kitchen but I could still smell it so I had to put it in the garbage bin in my garage.
I also dislike the Follow Your Heart cheese, which is disappointing since so many other vegans rave about it.
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Re: No good vegan cheese
Sat, February 16, 2008 - 12:53 AMwhat I found that helps with these kind of products is to read the ingredients and then experiment with it on your own.
I personally love Sheeze, but what's particularly good about it is that it has very few ingredients...their cheeses tend to be very high in spirit vinegar, which gives it that distinctive "gag" flavour that you mentionned.
I like it, but then again back when I ate animal cheeses, I liked the "stinky" ones ;-)
So my advice to you since you don't like the big players in the vegan cheese world: When in doubt DIY!!! (Do It Yourself)
:-)
It's okay that you don't like what's available on the market, everyone has his or her own tastes.
here are my tentaive vegan cheese discoveries:
so...what I have discovered is to play with a combination of tofu, tahini sauce, cashew butter and nutritional yeast, to which you add white miso and apple cider vinegar. carageenan (irish moss) or agar powder will help to set it to make a cheese block.
Just play around witht he ingredients until you discover the perfect cheese for you.
also someone on one of the tribes that I belong to suggested using pickle juice instead of the vinegar. If you buy commercial pickles the "pickle juice" is pretty much vinegar, but if you buy real "live" pickles***, thepickle juice is really flavourvul, and that might help.
I love vegan cheese made with pickle juice, it gives it a fresh taste.
You have to remember that nature made milk and some humans figured out how to make cheese from it, by trial and error over 4 thousand years ago, and we don't knwo if the trial and error period lasted thousands of years :-)
vegans have only been making cheese for a few decades (not even!) so give the companies a break! we'll eventually figure it out, and as usual when we figure it out, the vegan product will be better than the non-vegan one...but it may take a few more years.
in the meantime I love sheeze, I like vegan gourmet and I even like "vegan" and the "parma!" vegan topping is delicious (and raw!)
but I do realize that all these are not perfect, so we need to be patient, and if what you want ain't out there, make it! :-)
*** to tell if pickles are "real" check the ingredients, if the ingredients are water, cucumbers, salt spices, you're good, if binegar is one of the ingredients, it is not a real pickle. Also the water should eb murky, and the jar kept in the frifge. If it's on the shelf it has been pasteurized and all the "live" culture is dead. -
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Re: No good vegan cheese
Sun, February 17, 2008 - 3:36 PMyeah, it takes time to perfect new food products, so let's keep letting them know we want it! :)
Antoine - can you post a cheese recipe, or at least sent it to me, please?
I'm coming closer and closer to going vegan. Right now I call myself a strict veggie b/c I don't drink milk, don't eat butter, no animal broths, and very little cheese (that's saying a lot since I grew up in Wisconsin where you put cheese practically on everything!). In the past couple months eggs have been grossing me out. My fave was deviled eggs, but after making them a couple months ago, I ate two and had a hard time stomaching the consistency. I've only been able to eat them in stuff (like baked goods) and I can still do quiche, but that's a short step to vegan with the egg substitutes. :D
thanks!
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